COORDINATE FILE QUESTION

[Joseph bishop]

Ok, I have a coordinate file with my points, based on coordinates that my
field crew have used in the field. They come in and we dump the job.
Starting to calculate it out, I rotate the drawing and points to a recorded
bearing. Obviously, now my coordinates are not the same as my points in my
drawing. So I go to coordinate file utilities, update from drawing, select
all, overwrite all the points (since I don't want to use the old
coordinates) and then that should be good. But what happens, is I lose all
of my descriptions of my points... YIKES!!!! Am I doing something wrong?
Is there a better way to do this? Please help.

Thank you.

[Nava Ran]

Works for me.
SurvCADD XML(build 030131)
Did you answer <Yes> when asked "Update point descriptions [<Yes>/No]?
If you want you can send me the drawing file after rotation to try.
Nava Ran
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"Joseph bishop" <jlbsurvey@ameritech.net> wrote
news:be1pfo$hab$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Ok, I have a coordinate file with my points, based on coordinates that my
field crew have used in the field. They come in and we dump the job.
Starting to calculate it out, I rotate the drawing and points to a
recorded
bearing. Obviously, now my coordinates are not the same as my points in my
drawing. So I go to coordinate file utilities, update from drawing,
select
all, overwrite all the points (since I don't want to use the old
coordinates) and then that should be good. But what happens, is I lose
all
of my descriptions of my points... YIKES!!!! Am I doing something wrong?
Is there a better way to do this? Please help.

Thank you.

[Barkley Hensley, P.L.S.]

Joseph,

Take a look at the "object linking" settings in the "General Settings" under
"Configure SurvCADD". If you have "Link Points with Crd File" toggled on,
turn it off. Then have a go at it. Also, make sure you are running the
latest release of the version of SurvCADD that you are running by going to
our website and downloading the appropriate file if necessary. Hope this
helps.

--
Barkley Hensley, P.L.S.


"Joseph bishop" <jlbsurvey@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:be1pfo$hab$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Ok, I have a coordinate file with my points, based on coordinates that my
field crew have used in the field. They come in and we dump the job.
Starting to calculate it out, I rotate the drawing and points to a
recorded
bearing. Obviously, now my coordinates are not the same as my points in my
drawing. So I go to coordinate file utilities, update from drawing,
select
all, overwrite all the points (since I don't want to use the old
coordinates) and then that should be good. But what happens, is I lose
all
of my descriptions of my points... YIKES!!!! Am I doing something wrong?
Is there a better way to do this? Please help.

Thank you.

[R.K. McSwain]

If Joseph rotates the drawing and then the coordinates are not the same -
wouldn't that mean that "Link Points with Crd File" is already turned off?
If "Link Points with Crd File" was on, then wouldn't his CRD file be updated
automatilcally when he rotated the points?

"Barkley Hensley, P.L.S." <bhensley@carlsonsw.com> wrote

Take a look at the "object linking" settings in the "General Settings"
under
"Configure SurvCADD". If you have "Link Points with Crd File" toggled on,
turn it off.

"Joseph bishop" <jlbsurvey@ameritech.net> wrote

Starting to calculate it out, I rotate the drawing and points to a
recorded
bearing. Obviously, now my coordinates are not the same as my points in
my
drawing.

[Geoffrey Leiter]

I find this CRD linking to be a dangerous element of SurvCAD. While I have
this "Link points with CRD file" turned on, I have noticed that this link is
not always "on". To add to the confusion, when using the move points
command in XML, one would likely assume that the CRD would be updated by
this command, since it's not an Autocad command but rather an XML command.
However this is not the case unless the link points variable is set.
Personally I think this routine should work the opposite way it is currently
done. Points should ALWAYS be linked to the CRD file unless told otherwise.
Fortunately, you can go to Coord Point Utilities and run "compare points" to
check this (thanks Carlson). I would like to think that the point I am
looking at in the CAD file is in the same location as the one in the CRD
file. Dragging the attribute information to other locations is fine, but
the point should visually represent its coord location. Just my .02

Geoff


"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:beeaek$5jm$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

If Joseph rotates the drawing and then the coordinates are not the same -
wouldn't that mean that "Link Points with Crd File" is already turned off?
If "Link Points with Crd File" was on, then wouldn't his CRD file be
updated
automatilcally when he rotated the points?


"Barkley Hensley, P.L.S." <bhensley@carlsonsw.com> wrote

Take a look at the "object linking" settings in the "General Settings"
under
"Configure SurvCADD". If you have "Link Points with Crd File" toggled
on,
turn it off.


"Joseph bishop" <jlbsurvey@ameritech.net> wrote

Starting to calculate it out, I rotate the drawing and points to a
recorded
bearing. Obviously, now my coordinates are not the same as my points
in
my
drawing.

[R.K. McSwain]

What many do not understand is that the "Link points with CRD file" toggle must be ON while the points are located. If you locate your points, turn this toggle on, and then move a point using the AutoCAD move command, nothing will happen to the CRD file.

I think the reactors should be attached to every point regardless of the "Link points with CRD file" toggle - then you could let that setting determine whether to update the CRD - it wouldn't matter what the setting was when the points were inserted. Maybe after SurvCADD adds support for AECC_POINT's this method will be adopted.


"Geoffrey Leiter" <darc87@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:beelr0$9eu$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

I find this CRD linking to be a dangerous element of SurvCAD. While I have
this "Link points with CRD file" turned on, I have noticed that this link is
not always "on". To add to the confusion, when using the move points
command in XML, one would likely assume that the CRD would be updated by
this command, since it's not an Autocad command but rather an XML command.
However this is not the case unless the link points variable is set.
Personally I think this routine should work the opposite way it is currently
done. Points should ALWAYS be linked to the CRD file unless told otherwise.
Fortunately, you can go to Coord Point Utilities and run "compare points" to
check this (thanks Carlson). I would like to think that the point I am
looking at in the CAD file is in the same location as the one in the CRD
file. Dragging the attribute information to other locations is fine, but
the point should visually represent its coord location. Just my .02

Geoff


"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:beeaek$5jm$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
If Joseph rotates the drawing and then the coordinates are not the same -
wouldn't that mean that "Link Points with Crd File" is already turned off?
If "Link Points with Crd File" was on, then wouldn't his CRD file be
updated
automatilcally when he rotated the points?


"Barkley Hensley, P.L.S." <bhensley@carlsonsw.com> wrote

Take a look at the "object linking" settings in the "General Settings"
under
"Configure SurvCADD". If you have "Link Points with Crd File" toggled
on,
turn it off.


"Joseph bishop" <jlbsurvey@ameritech.net> wrote

Starting to calculate it out, I rotate the drawing and points to a
recorded
bearing. Obviously, now my coordinates are not the same as my points
in
my
drawing.

[Geoffrey Leiter]

That goes for the SurvCAD move point command as well. What was initially
confusing for me, being a former EP (Eagle point) user, was using the
command specifically for SurvCad nodes did not actually update the CRD file.
When using EP this would happen automatically. Like I said, prior to
construction layout, I always run the compare points report for a double
check.

PS. XML2 where are you?

Geoff

"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:beeng9$a8m$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
What many do not understand is that the "Link points with CRD file" toggle
must be ON while the points are located. If you locate your points, turn
this toggle on, and then move a point using the AutoCAD move command,
nothing will happen to the CRD file.

I think the reactors should be attached to every point regardless of the
"Link points with CRD file" toggle - then you could let that setting
determine whether to update the CRD - it wouldn't matter what the setting
was when the points were inserted. Maybe after SurvCADD adds support for
AECC_POINT's this method will be adopted.


"Geoffrey Leiter" <darc87@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:beelr0$9eu$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

I find this CRD linking to be a dangerous element of SurvCAD. While I
have
this "Link points with CRD file" turned on, I have noticed that this link
is
not always "on". To add to the confusion, when using the move points
command in XML, one would likely assume that the CRD would be updated by
this command, since it's not an Autocad command but rather an XML command.
However this is not the case unless the link points variable is set.
Personally I think this routine should work the opposite way it is
currently
done. Points should ALWAYS be linked to the CRD file unless told
otherwise.
Fortunately, you can go to Coord Point Utilities and run "compare points"
to
check this (thanks Carlson). I would like to think that the point I am
looking at in the CAD file is in the same location as the one in the CRD
file. Dragging the attribute information to other locations is fine, but
the point should visually represent its coord location. Just my .02

Geoff


"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:beeaek$5jm$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
If Joseph rotates the drawing and then the coordinates are not the
same -
wouldn't that mean that "Link Points with Crd File" is already turned
off?
If "Link Points with Crd File" was on, then wouldn't his CRD file be
updated
automatilcally when he rotated the points?


"Barkley Hensley, P.L.S." <bhensley@carlsonsw.com> wrote

Take a look at the "object linking" settings in the "General Settings"
under
"Configure SurvCADD". If you have "Link Points with Crd File" toggled
on,
turn it off.


"Joseph bishop" <jlbsurvey@ameritech.net> wrote

Starting to calculate it out, I rotate the drawing and points to a
recorded
bearing. Obviously, now my coordinates are not the same as my points
in
my
drawing.

[R.K. McSwain]

"Geoffrey Leiter" <darc87@hotmail.com> wrote

That goes for the SurvCAD move point command as well. What was initially
confusing for me, being a former EP (Eagle point) user, was using the
command specifically for SurvCad nodes did not actually update the CRD file.
When using EP this would happen automatically.

Then that is a problem. The "Move Points" command on the Points menu should *always* update the CRD regardless of the "Link Points" toggle.

PS. XML2 where are you?

They say it's coming..... By the way - your long anticipated 'points filtering/selection' tool is in there (or at least it was in the beta back in Feb.)

[Geoffrey Leiter]

Move Points

Function

This command allows you to move SurvCADD points, one at a time by selecting
any part of the point. Each SurvCADD point is made of three entities: an
AutoCAD POINT entity, a symbol, and a point block with the point number,
elevation and description. All these parts of the point are moved together
with this routine. The point is only moved in the drawing. The coordinate
file is not updated unless the points were located while the Link Points
with CRD File toggle was turned on. This toggle is found in the General
Settings part of Configure SurvCADD. As mentioned, points located while this
setting is off will not be updated in the CRD file, you may update the CRD
file by using the Update CRD file from Drawing command found in Coordinate
File Utilities.



"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:beetkb$ci8$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
"Geoffrey Leiter" <darc87@hotmail.com> wrote

That goes for the SurvCAD move point command as well. What was initially
confusing for me, being a former EP (Eagle point) user, was using the
command specifically for SurvCad nodes did not actually update the CRD
file.
When using EP this would happen automatically.

Then that is a problem. The "Move Points" command on the Points menu should
*always* update the CRD regardless of the "Link Points" toggle.

PS. XML2 where are you?

They say it's coming..... By the way - your long anticipated 'points
filtering/selection' tool is in there (or at least it was in the beta back
in Feb.)

[R.K. McSwain]

The manual is wrong. All the commands in the center section of the points menu (from Edit Points to Move Points) operate directly on the CRD file. (of course, Erase Points includes the option to not erase from the CRD)



"Geoffrey Leiter" <darc87@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:beeu63$cmj$1@update.carlsonsw.com...

Move Points

Function

This command allows you to move SurvCADD points, one at a time by selecting
any part of the point. Each SurvCADD point is made of three entities: an
AutoCAD POINT entity, a symbol, and a point block with the point number,
elevation and description. All these parts of the point are moved together
with this routine. The point is only moved in the drawing. The coordinate
file is not updated unless the points were located while the Link Points
with CRD File toggle was turned on. This toggle is found in the General
Settings part of Configure SurvCADD. As mentioned, points located while this
setting is off will not be updated in the CRD file, you may update the CRD
file by using the Update CRD file from Drawing command found in Coordinate
File Utilities.



"R.K. McSwain" <rkmcswain@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:beetkb$ci8$1@update.carlsonsw.com...
"Geoffrey Leiter" <darc87@hotmail.com> wrote
That goes for the SurvCAD move point command as well. What was initially
confusing for me, being a former EP (Eagle point) user, was using the
command specifically for SurvCad nodes did not actually update the CRD
file.
When using EP this would happen automatically.

Then that is a problem. The "Move Points" command on the Points menu should
*always* update the CRD regardless of the "Link Points" toggle.



PS. XML2 where are you?

They say it's coming..... By the way - your long anticipated 'points
filtering/selection' tool is in there (or at least it was in the beta back
in Feb.)